I need to be twins, or maybe triplets; I can’t keep up with all the false faced "Moderate Muslims" drowning out the real reformers in their religion!
Monday, August 16, 2010 at 04:30PM
Taqiyya, and the way it’s abused is an excellent example of the unholy (although it’s likely unintended) alliance between al Qaeda and radical Islamophobes."
Notice how a false black and white distinction is made here that isolates the supposed negative influence of Islam to less than one percent of Muslims and all non-Muslims who are critical of the ACTIONS of Muslims.
"Taqiyya is the Arabic word that denotes God’s promise that a Muslim won’t be judged a sinner if forced to renounce Islam under duress or torture, and makes explicit a wonderful promise: that God judges humankind lovingly and justly by our intent in the context of our capabilities."
Ah, but capabilities to to just what? To whom? Why? Those are questions that threaten the good Dr. as a Muslim and so will fall under the aegis of Taqiyya and never be answered honestly… by Western standards.
"Taqiyya to al Qaeda and the less than 0.1% of Muslims who follow their debased ideology is permission to lie."
No, it is not the straw man you have propped up in order to set a match to; it is permission to lie to "protect" or advance Islam, nothing more or less.
"Taqiyya to Islamophobes has become permission to call “liar” any Muslim who doesn’t support their hate filled agenda, and that’s the problem: because that means an Islamophobe can always throw out anything a Muslim says that they don’t agree with, or that they don’t want to hear."
Here again we see not only the stark My Way or the Hell Way attitude toward "thought crime" but also a continuation of the name calling, and propagandistic labeling. This is written from a RELIGIOUS PERSPECTIVE? I don’t think so, it reads more like political hot air that smells of masculine bovine digestive processes! To be stark myself it reads to me a lot like the German propaganda in the 30’s and Soviet propaganda in the 20’s, 30’s, 40’s,50’s, 60’s, oh why go on; Putin is still doing it!
"But does Taqiyya actually give Muslims the rights al Qaeda and Islamophobes claim?"
Regardless of actual lineage we can see that the good Dr. understand you must hammer away at the "big Lies" until they take hold; then keep hammering them until they acquire quasi-mystical acceptance among "right thinking" people. Pardon me Virginia while go take an ant-acid; my stomach is a bit nauseated.
"Many Sunni Muslims claim that it is solely a Shiite practice, and consider the question answered. However, that response is to some extent dishonest because the practice is rooted in the Quran, which is shared by both. Based on 16:106, it is obviously a promise that AlLah makes to all Muslims that He will be merciful.
However, 3:28 tells Muslims not to take those outside our faith as “protecting friends”, unless the action itself protects Muslims, and 40:28 introduces a believer who must “hide his faith” among non-believers.
There are also Hadithi which pertain: including one in which Muhammad (peace be upon him) declared, “War is Deceit” and another recounting the assassination of Ka’b bin al-Sharif in which Muhammad (pbuh) gave the assassin permission to use a ruse.
But when you actually examine the evidence, it becomes clear that there is no permission to lie given to Muslims, and that al Qaeda and Islamophobes who say otherwise are lying themselves."
Well, no; if you look at all the most "reliable" translations you find evidence that goes BOTH ways. Either interpretation seems to be valid from the extant texts used by Muslims.
"The Ayah that pertain to Taqiyya are profoundly restrictive regarding exactly where the deception lies, who is being deceived and why. In each case, it is only one’s Muslim faith that is hidden, and it is only hidden from those who would do a Muslim harm because of it in order to prevent it. It is never used to give a Muslim an unfair advantage in anything."
No, it isn’t. judge them by their fruits!
"An Islamophobic [Guy DeW: more insulting, black and white labeling piled on, don’t we call that chauvinism if a Jew or Christian does it?] website shows just how dishonest the author is willing to be. They translate 3:54 as saying, "And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers." and claim “The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means deceit. If Allah is deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same.”
Sorry Dr. (of what by the way?), that is not the case; translations by Muslims and non-Muslims are divided.
"However, Makara doesn’t mean deceit, it means “plot” or “scheme” in the context of a superior plan or undertaking, which only proves you can’t take the word of someone who dislikes Islam about Islam: which shouldn’t surprise anyone."
Now that you have seen that the Dr. is distorting the facts should it surprise you that he wants you to blindly take HIS word?
"Likewise, al Qaeda and radical Islamophobes both claim the Hadithi in question give blanket permission to Muslims to lie, but actually reading them does the opposite.
“War is deceit” is said to have been declaimed in the context of the assassination of Usayr ibn Zarim and his 30 men after they were given safe passage. But when one reads the story it becomes clear that Usayr and his men were the first to offend, and clear that the transmitter went to pains to make that clear."
In other words it is cool to cheat a cheater, and rob a robber, and murder a murderer? That is a small step to cheating someone you think has cheated you etc… and one more tiny step to cheating anyone who is not "on your side", sorry Doc, I can’t buy it!
"Likewise, after getting permission to use a ruse, the transmitter actually went to great pains to show that Muhammad bin Maslama went to great lengths to avoid actually saying anything false: his words are recorded exactly."
Tape or digital recording? You do know that any digital recording can be tampered with.. what did you say Virginia? The good Dottore did not mean that, he meant that HIS scripture is pure and accurate and untainted despite hundreds of years before their being written down and the many different versions that have existed? Ok, I guess I should not be surprised. Oh, and it is all false anyway… go to the horses mouth!
"And Ka’b’s final words to his own wife indicate that he might even have had an inkling what was going on, but had been overcome by his own greed."
And of course THAT makes it all ok? Sorry again, no sale here, try further East.
"The bottom line? Muslims don’t have permission to lie, and anyone who says otherwise are bearing false witness and spreading lies about Islam. And that’s against the rules of every religion, no matter which book you follow."
And so says someone who has absolutely NO ulterior motive for you to believe him… And I have some wonderful land in Florida to sell you…