Calling Yourself Liberal and Religious won’t MAKE You a Good Person

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Today we have two re-writes of older articles that seem very relevant today:

First, we will take the “Liberals” as well as the “Conservatives” to task for partisan hypocrisy…

Nowadays the word Liberal is often used as a pejorative; I often use it that way myself for good reasons.

Yet I am a moderate, and probably spend about 40% of the time cursing the idiocy of the Left, and 60% of it complaining and worrying about the Right (It is too bad there are not more real conservative minds in the Conservative camp these days.). Of the two the Conservatives tend to scare me a bit more but the Leftists in total power would be/ have been worse. But the actions of the radicals on either side do not condemn entire schools of thought to a mature mind.  This should be remembered by pundits on both sides in this age of attack politics.

 Lately a radically Conservative group has taken over almost all the political voice of conservative American Christianity.  They have used their pulpit to propound, and pound in, their own view of history, and how Christianity has influenced the development of the United States as a nation.

 They are not actually lying about the influence of the churches. The problem is that they have forgotten from just where in the Church all that influence came.  Yes, it was those damn liberals every time!

 In American history, every time the religious culture has had a profound positive influence (as judged by successive generations) on changes in society those influences have their roots in the Liberal-to-Radical churches. They most certainly did not come from the Conservative ones!

 The Conservative Churches in every case have held the line with the status quo through history whether it was regarding the Revolution, slavery, child labor, workers rights, racial equality or now, gay rights.  Yet the Conservative Churches of today want to shine their halos with the contributions made for the most part by the Liberal Churches of the past.

This activity is not unique to Christianity by any means.  A Radical Conservative Jew will spend much energy telling you about Judaism’s amazing contributions to Western society, but will refuse to see that his brand of thinking never produced any of it.  Find a Conservative Imam, and you will find a man eager to convince you that Islam has been an enormously positive contributor to civilization over the centuries.  But if you remind him that blind faithfulness to Islam’s Conservative philosophy had nothing to do with the various periods of (heretically liberal) Islamic glory that he is polishing up for you to admire; he may even take offense.

  In every case where religious and political power intermingle the things that modern world civilization would call progress has only come when the dominant Church(s) is(are) liberal to the point of being heretical (to the parent dogmas and doctrines), tolerant and more focused on understanding, accepting and spreading the “love behind the Law” rather than promoting a zero-tolerance attitude regarding adherence to the “Letter of the Law.”

But only stagnation and decay ensue when the Churches are conservative and cling to a memory, or fictitious ideal, of “the way it should be.”

 It should be noted that Conservative religious thought can have a greatly positive influence on society but, that usually the effects remain chiefly negative.

 Witness: the defense of slavery, and the stances of “Godly” preachers and priests against child labor laws, and minority civil rights laws.

Witness: the attempts at forced, coerced and violent conversions directed at any people of another religion that are under the influence of a politicized religion (theocracies, inquisitions, shari’a states).

 We all admit that Conservatism is designed to be highly successful at keeping the wheels of a society turning. Who but a fool will deny that there is a true virtue most times in maintaining most of the status quo; Leftists take note of the qualifications and keep your straw men to yourselves – I am not Christian, and never have been a Republican, or supporter of either Bush.

 But, it also must be admitted that Conservative governments and organizations have a poor track record when attempting to grease those wheels, to make accommodation for the fact that seems “odd“, “weird“, “different” to the average mind; whether the ideas are good ones or not!

When the going gets rough or to be a creative inspiration for the people who bear the main burdens of pushing the cart of civilization further, faster and safer than our ancestors ever believed it could go Conservatives can be of more a drag chain when they should be acting like the regenerative brakes that go with a hybrid engine.

 Conservative ideology certainly does not allow real flaws in the basic social system to be changed without a protracted, and often ugly, fight with the liberal mindset who are busy finding things that are not really broken to make into really nasty situations with well-meaning new laws and more, and more, and more tension from enforcement, and less and less elbow room for the well-intentioned citizen just trying to get along and improve their lives.

 Without a Liberal element in society, one that has enough influence to smack the current bosses on the head now and then but, not enough to dominate society  a person lives in what is at best a well upholstered slave camp destined to fade into the dust of history.

And…

Without a Conservative element at the core to give perspective and balance a people will… well, just look at the aftermath of every single revolution in the past – the American revolution was actually a colony revolt – it was an independently evolving, functioning society that broke away from the parent nation/culture rather than an indigenous movement to topple all the central power structures and replace them ad hoc with unproven or dis-proven but, “much better” institutions; not long after they succeed the real bloodshed is just beginning!

 Who was it again that decreed with proven ‘Holy Authority‘ that all human problems can, and may, only be solved by a totally Left-wing or totally Right-wing ideology? When did admitting that your Party’s platform cannot solve all problems if followed by “good” people?

The voting public needs to take off their trendy, strait-jackets/sheep-outfits, grow up, and look at reality – of the real kind, rather than the oh-so-importantly-unimportant political sort – and then find the ideal solutions, not the solutions that serve your political tribe while walking over everyone else’s Lives’, Liberties, and frantic Pursuits of Happiness.

Ann Coulter, You Kill Me! I Still Love You But, You are Wrong About the Death Penalty

Guy DeWhitney of Heretics Crusade debates Death Penalty with Ann Coulter

Dear Ann Coulter, you have hurt me deeply.  I was under the impression, since my wonderful encounter with you at David Horowitz’s Freedom Foundation Wednesday Morning Club, that you were a moderate who sought to “moderate” the Right by speaking their language and not worrying about the lost cause of the Left.  You implied I was correct when our eyes met and something palpable passed between us; I believe it was the book you had just signed. Your book Demonic seemed to bear out this concept.

And now? I am torn, broken and lost, all my illusions shattered by the things I read in the article below; Ann, please tell me you don’t really believe in the death penalty!

First off, let me explain my position on the death penalty lest I be hung with a rope I had nothing to do with making.

My central objection to and adamant stance rejecting the death penalty does not stem from the expense of all the appeals, though a case can be made that Life-without-Parole costs less on average; human life is not something that, at the bottom line, should come down to a bottom line.

My principled objection does not come from the fact that there have been Death Row inmates exonerated, or even that is beyond statistical certainty execution of the innocent *can* and *has* happened; a human life should never be gambled by anyone but the owner of said life.

My stance, firm and unashamed, is that I believe that no one has the right to kill a human being that is in secure custody in the hopes that maybe, somewhere, another person might not commit a similar crime; to shed a soul no better or worse than yourself in the eyes of God in what amounts to a marketing strategy is simply nefarious.

When you add that to the two reasons I first mentioned feel that it has to be admitted that there is no real reason for the Death Penalty but as a collective expression of natural animal bloodlust… we NEED some way to sanction our desire to kill SOMEONE for their transgressions against us, real or imagined. Yes, it is rather benign as historical expressions of bloodlust go but, does that mean we cannot decry it?

On to my analysis of of the article:

From David Horowitz’s Front Page Magazine

Cop-Killer Is Media’s New Baby Seal

Posted by Ann Coulter Bio ↓ on Sep 23rd, 2011

For decades, liberals tried persuading Americans to abolish the death penalty, using their usual argument: hysterical sobbing.

First, a quibble my lovely Lady.

Ann, what would happen in Law Courts if one School of Law said that a “tort” was X and another said a “tort” was Y? If you call a leftist a liberal instead what do you call someone who is not brain dead in their cultural relativism but, also not a rock, reacting only to outside changes? Admit it, conservative is not a label that the majority of a society should want to adopt for themselves. To have conservative principals along with the common sense to find opportunities to improve things by changing; what do we call that, if you use liberal to mean leftist?

As to your argument, I agree, they haven’t the moral cojones to make the argument against it that I did above.

Only when the media began lying about innocent people being executed did support for the death penalty begin to waver, falling from 80 percent to about 60 percent in a little more than a decade. (Silver lining: That’s still more Americans than believe in man-made global warming.)

I am glad to hear that about Global Warming but, can you make your case regarding the lack of rotting innocence expressed in the guise of rotting innocents? I am not a lawyer or a politician; I am a poet, artist and engineer type. It is not easy when most people are almost all right or left-brained to be neither; I am not even sure it is a good thing. But, it makes me almost immune to falsehood in the long term. When you love harmony and see the world in definite patterns it is hard to be lied to for very long. If the patterns do not reflect reality eventually the pieces unravel and you can’t help but see the truth no matter how much internal consistency the lies are or how appealing they seem to your own desires.

Short version: Please don‘t bullshit me Ann, I wasn’t born yesterday; can you make your case?

Fifty-nine percent of Americans now believe that an innocent man has been executed in the last five years. There is more credible evidence that space aliens have walked among us than that an innocent person has been executed in this country in the past 60 years, much less the past five years.

Really? Then that would have been a great place to put a link to another article explaining the facts behind your assertion. If you want me to believe you I need some facts, what with all the “spin” that goes on nowadays. Either the facts of the cases I have seen on cursory search are all wrong, or you are using a definition of innocent that reaches beyond the scope of the crime for which the person was executed; I think the bible has something to say about that kind of “guilt”.

But unless members of the public are going to personally review trial transcripts in every death penalty case, they have no way of knowing the truth. The media certainly won’t tell them.

Ann, it was your intelligence that caused the first spark between us, please do not insult mine; facts my Maid-of-the-Sexy-Vocabulary, let’s have some facts.

…Now, a brisk 22 years after Davis murdered Officer MacPhail, his sentence will finally be administered this week — barring any more of the legal shenanigans that have kept taxpayers on the hook for Davis’ room and board for the past two decades.

(The average time on death row is 14 years. Then liberals turn around and triumphantly claim the death penalty doesn’t have any noticeable deterrent effect. As the kids say: Duh.)

Sometimes there is a fine line between snarky and hateful and my dear Ms. Coulter, you habitually walk close to it but, this is one of the few times that I might agree with those who say that you cross; and our romance loses some of it’s luster. It is a human life we are discussing, the acceptability of the Death Penalty in principal, not just in one sad human’s case. I myself feel it does not behoove any Christian, or any truly religious person, to lament the time allowed a soul before the only judgment that is infallible.

Ann Hart Coulter, can you really think that 14 years of not knowing if you will or will not be executed, a truly insane procedure in and of itself in this Hyper-PC world, is somehow seen by “the kids” as better than just being executed in a way that removes the, very slight and temporary, deterrent effect the Death Penalty has on violent crime? Society is the only real deterrent. Otherwise the Islamic world would enjoy the lowest violent crime rates; you would also see a much lower rate of violent crime three hundred years ago when hanging and death by torture were commonplace, yet we find the opposite; society itself evolved less violent ways to get along, the law did not force them to be that way.

There’s a reason more than a dozen courts have looked at Davis’ case and refused to overturn his death sentence. He is as innocent as every other executed man since at least 1950, which is to say, guilty as hell

Ann, Ann, there you go again with the un-backed assertions; let’s have the facts that lead you to say that please. Otherwise refer to my argument against the Death Penalty itself at the beginning of the post.

Don’t cry Hun, you know I still love you.

Christians Endorse Disposable Humanity and Other Evil Oxymorons

I wanted to share something that I commented on over at NewsRealblog.com

The subject was the sentencing of a 13 year old and a 16 year old to life without parole. The comment thread was rife with the sentiment that any kid so heinous, even that young, should be shut away permanently for society’s own protection, Q.E.D.!
That got my dander up and I had to put in my own two cents:
Save us from those who destroy the very thing they are trying to protect!
To me the argument against executing or giving life without parole to minors has always been based in the simple Christian values of mercy, grace and redemption.
Poster after poster in this thread has hugged to their breast a concept of “disposable” individuals. People who, without Constitutional approval, “should” be balled up like trash and thrown into a secure oubliette to be forgotten. All in the name of protecting our “civil” society from the “irredeemable.”
I do not deny that there are pathological individuals that cannot be reformed or redeemed by any means known to man at this time. I do deny that even a majority of those so condemned fit that description however!
Just as the Leftist needs to be reminded that society MUST be protected even from those who are not solely responsible for their crimes, the “law and Order” worshipers need to realize that there is no justice in abusing a minority in order to preserve the tranquility of the majority.
It says something about that in the Constitution. Go look it up. Then go look up all the mainstream Christian tenets relating to guilt, punishment and reform.
The very idea of declaring a 13 year old permanently unable to be “Human” and sentencing that child to LIFE in a literal hell cannot POSSIBLY be reconciled with anything calling itself a Judeo-Christian value!
Argument can be made for the most disadvantaged adult that they knew what they were doing. That cannot be said of ANY 13 year old! How can hearts be complacent when a child who is mentally twisted is not confined to an institution to see if he can be healed but instead he is caged like an animal to suffer cumulatively for decades?
Show me where standing against life without parole or execution for minors automatically means standing for slapping murderers on the wrist and I will shut up.
Otherwise anyone who wants to think of themselves as “decent” needs to understand that “innocent until proven guilty” has no room in it for punishment of future crimes “likely” to be committed. And certainly not a punishment that starts at 13 and ends with death.