One thing seems to be consistent about religions all through human history; faith in the literal truth of the religion’s doctrines and dogmas is strongest in the least educated and least widely experienced, while the “elite” tend to range from religious beliefs with agnostic admissions to full-blown, cynical atheism. This aspect of societal religion tends to favor the more partisan of each camp; the “masses” are peer-pressured to “show faith” and not think too much, while the “elite” are pressured in the same way to deny ALL aspects of deity and belief and God(s). For those of us to who seeking understanding of God in a REAL sense, as opposed to a political or emotional/security sense, this is a bit of a hindrance.
To try to avoid the almost inevitable miscommunication that occurs when attempting to discuss God let me define my own terms; belief is not the same as faith; faith is something that causes grief and only causes good by accident; belief is what built civilization as we know it.
Faith is defined in Western culture as belief in something unseen, unproven, un-EVIDENCED other than by conflicting scriptural testimonies; this is a fool’s game at best!
Pseudo-religion has taken over much of the world’s “Faithful” by taking advantage of the tendency of the masses to desire a simple creed with an un-questioned authority to follow – just so that they do not have to ponder things that they do not have the experience or education to ponder with any confidence.
It is not enough, their preachers say, to believe in the bridge over the canyon, you must have and prove absolute faith that it is there…
The next sound you hear is the sound of crunching bones at the bottom of the canyon; and if the snake-oiled social-system-from-perdition that they are selling fails the test in the real world they have an escape clause; it is the fault of the poor soul who failed to “show enough faith”; you know who I mean, they are most likely a victim of the situation for which they are receiving (divine sanctioned) blame!
As you can see Virginia, I have never completely gotten over my desire to seek God, and lead others to know God better! Mea culpa; I still care. But, at some point I recognized that all the “Organized Religions” have long since been co-opted by pirates, parasites and reactionaries – who are their own enemies as well as everyone else’s; never thinking, believing then acting – just fighting the others while stealing as much power over people’s souls as possible.
Oh, let me point out that yes, Atheism is a faith; it takes a lot of ego-based, un-founded faith to KNOW that “our reality contains no form of anything that might be called God, period, debate closed; it is not even possible you know, why even bring it up in ‘intelligent’ company?”
Belief on the other hand is based on facts and experience and even intuition, if that intuition has a good track record; if every time you had something very bad happen in your life, and you had ignored a strong, distinct feeling to avoid the situation, eventually you would “believe” enough to listen; even though for years you might not have the “faith” to gamble on your premonitions being something other than a coincidental case of indigestion!
I have beliefs, I have very little faith; I like it that way.
Faith has to be blind; the blind tend to step on things, including other people’s toes, property, pets and even bridges that are NOT over canyons.
Of course many of the things that can fall under either label are good, or useful!
In a documentary film about the life and death of comedian Andy Kaufman (Man on the Moon) there is a scene where he is waiting to undergo a faith healing in India with full belief, from things he has seen and read and experienced, that he would find healing given by an honest healer. But instead, he sees from where his stretcher is laid that the “healer” is faking the procedure, and his belief dies.
Of course, the proponents of “faith” will tell us that if he had continued to ‘have FAITH ™’, instead of merely believing, the placebo effect would have worked with a holy head-start, and he might have found healing; I do not disagree but, I find that level of blind faith an evil, black magic; one that is less a slippery slope than a swift escalator to horrific abuses ( ones that we have seen over and over again in history when people forget the reality of their fellow man, and treat them solely according to their “faith.” Q.E.D. Virginia, Q.E.D.!
The bottom line is that true lover’s of God are recognized despite their religion, not because of it; mostly everyone stays for their entire life in the religion that they were born into; in some religions it can be fatal to become an Agnostic let alone change your religion; so much for an honest quest for God.
Yet there are good, godly, devout people wherever you find human hearts and human tears. You can’t avoid that simple, obvious truth; unless you cling to “faith” in the notion that God made a special effort to make sure that you were born in the faith that you “happen” to believe in – all just so you could be “saved“! Of course, anyone not so favored was chosen by the ‘Infinite Power and Mercy of Deity’ to be born in an “un-Godly cult” that destines them to almost certain “damnation”!
If you do believe that this is true, then there is a quote from the Christians’ Bible that I believe is appropriate: “Jesus Wept“!
Ok, we can all agree that Pat Robertson was a dork of stellar magnitude, and the Phelps Family are supernovae in that particular area called theocracy.
That said, before we submerge a crucifix in urine let’s give the Abrahamic tree a second look, and examine the fruit it has borne.
The Jews never had a drive to spread over the Earth. Their scriptures taught them that certain lands were given them by God; so they took them, enough said, this was 6,000 years ago after all. But after that they lost any territorial ambitions. But, the Persians and Romans proceeded to push them this way and that; being rather fanatical, they pushed back. After the destruction of the 2nd Temple and the Judean Diaspora the centuries have seen Judaism become a religion withdrawn into itself. Having lost the arrogance of the Temple but retained the Love of God and intellectual tradition they became a creative yeast in their host cultures.
The Jews never expected to take over the world; at most they expected, and some maybe still expect that the world will join them. Not by the sword, but by the Love of God. One of the best aspects of the Jewish religion is its focus on the Love of God and a Love for God in each moment of a person’s life.
But along came Jayzus!
Things started out ok, Yesuah merely echoed and extended the teachings and philosophy of Hillel. It expanded organically and gently; converting mostly people otherwise considered “unworthy” of membership in one of the more respectable religions, then into the idle upper-class (often by way of religiously adventurous wives discontent with being the ornament on a rich man’s arm.
But then Paul and Constantine came to deal the Judaic Chrestians, and then, later, the mild original “Greek”, a double death-blow of politicization.
Saint Bartholomew’s Massacre
After several centuries of defending themselves from the fanatically imperialistic Islam Christianity began to model all sorts of the worst of the Islamic “innovations” in religion and took on an expansionist, aggressive attitude of its own.
But, it is inherent in a religion mostly based on the teachings of Jesus that every now and then people would remember what their religion was supposed to be about. Christianity may have done much more good during those periods than it did evil during its more cognitively-dissonant times.
Since the Enlightenment the swings of the pendulum between arrogant fanaticism on one hand, and humble servitude to God on the other seem to have gotten gentler. Christianity also seem centered more and more toward the liberal side of the equation; i.e. Fred Phelps, not Qaradawi.
Christianity may one day even manage to have more people who follow it for the right reasons than fools-in-lambs-clothing who use religion in unhealthy ways, or merely for social reasons.
Christianity has a core in its teachings and scripture that is there for all to see; one of Love. It today can be, and always has been, a potentially dangerous religion (I.e. Fred Phelps, Torquemada) but is not inherently so by the structure and teachings of its chief scriptures.
I do think that, despite the quantum jump that The Enlightenment enabled in society’s evolution, Christianity has shown a definite tendency to speed humanity’s growth due to the focus of many of the faithful being on Jesus’ ministry rather than the “died for your sins” part.
Now, about Islam.
Islam teaches much about peace and love. There are verses equal to any in the other Abrahamic writings. I will not comment here about those who feel it was the work of someone passingly familiar with both religions. But Pat Robertson did get one thing right; Islamic theology IS inherently aggressive.
The Islamic scriptures consist of three parts:
The Qur’an, the Sunnah –basically a biography of Mohammed’s life, and the ahadith – stories about Mohammed from people who knew him. If you read it all it is clear that there can only be peace when everyone has submitted to Allah.
Even the most fanatical religion tends to mellow over the years; people are basically families, people who want to live and work and laugh and have the space to find God before they die. Even individuals attracted to a “religious” life for evil reasons can be shocked to learn that Love of God and Love BY God can blossom in their hearts; that is the core of any religion.
Islam unfortunately is working uphill in the all so human battle against hubris while trying to find truth. But, by having such an aggressive set scriptures; by having so much to draw from that feeds the darker hungers of man, Islam will, I believe spend more time orbiting around radical aggression before submitting finally to that peace and love that is God, is Allah.
Islam is inherently dedicated by its self-declared scriptural doctrine to naturally one day rule the world by TAKING control of it and forcing Dar al-Harb(‘House of War’) (Non-Muslim controlled regions) into Dar al-Islam(‘House of Islam); then all people will be free, in the Islamic view, to “choose” the “right” religion.
Sadly, it is not hard to justify all sorts of atrocities on infidels (non-Muslims) with the Qur’an; by contrast there are very few Samaritans or Philistines around for Jews or Christians to use their scripture as an excuse to start a pogrom against.
In Islam it does not matter that reformist Imams do not support something. In fact it is literally forbidden in Islam to use your ‘conscience’ as a guide in a religious dilemma; the only proper way to get an answer is to ask the proper authority, and then submit to the “truth.”
In Christianity, the violent books and verses are all somewhat shielded by being in the OT and considered to be superseded by the Love of Jesus when any conflict occurs. Islam does not have a NT to mellow its hard edges, though it does recognize the concept of abrogation (what a prophet says later is ‘rock’ to the ‘scissors’ of any earlier pronouncements or doctrines).
This makes “insulting” Islam dangerous at times in the modern world of high tech, and horrific weapons that you can make in your garage.
I mostly find it sad that the bulk of Muslims are not more vocal about denouncing their radical Brethren in both the private and the public arena. It is every person in the world’s duty to restrain the fundies of all aggressive religions until they grow up. Until a religion’s devout – highest clergy to clueless souls just born in it – recognize to their core’s that it is ok to DIE because of your religion but, that it is NEVER anything but evil to use religion as an excuse to KILL, that religion should be watched, and kept on a leash in polite company.
Islam has yet to show that it can stay grown up. They are younger though, lets give them time…but, keep the rolled up newspaper ready to smack their noses if they sh*t on the rug. We have too many permanent stains from Christianity and its messes; AND the Islam’s’ earlier messes. Of course Christianity STILL pees on the floor now and then. We just have to be patient and rub their noses PROMPTLY in their messes; but, we don’t have to worry about them eating the neighbor’s cat anymore.
I am not too PC to call a club a club (well, I can’t say spade anymore can I?); religion can be very wonderful but, people need to get over their BS and realize that the basic code of ethics that most religions have can also be formulated by simple common sense and an understanding of psychology and social dynamics. Go read a little about Neuro-Linguistic Programming and such. Real secular morality is what the world needs, not the Fascist pretend kind, only then can religion truly flourish; when we get over all this bickering on who is actually the only ones in touch with the “ONLY source of Morality™”; which they cannot even prove exists.
Faith is the problem; submission to something you do not feel yourself is the problem. Beliefs have reasons, sometimes bad ones but, reasons that can be ‘reasoned with’; faith has no reason therefore the most reasonable argument does no good, your head still rolls on the floor.
Have faith in Jesus of Mohammed; I will Believe in Bugs Bunny!
Today the CMSA (this link goes to the now defunct “public face” of the association) declared its support for the Diversity Initiative in a Congress faced with many new hires as Democrats depart and Republicans arrive; they hope the new Senators and Representatives continue to hire its members despite the changes in political balance. Yet the CMSA itself has never revealed the details of how their controlling members got and keep that control.
Paradoxically they declare that every one working for Congress who self identifies as a Muslim is eligible for membership but, they also claim to represent all “Muslims” including those who DO NOT publically identify; I can’t help think that the only point of this dual stance is to allow Muslims to pretend to the public that they are not Muslim while privately convincing the CMSA board that they are and exercising stealthy voting rights in the assoc. Is this a religion or a political movement?
Heretics Crusade has investigated this and several other aspects of the CMSA and its leadership, making public their opacity and associations; other blogs have done likewise; but the CMSA still arrogantly demands its “right” to influence the Senators, Representatives and other people of power on The Hill in the name of an amorphous group whose numbers are inflated to augment influence while their leadership seems to answer to no law or office willing to reign them in.
Today, as citizen as well as a “pundit” I sent this email to the Committee on House Administration, who purportedly have jurisdiction over organizations of this type.
Good day; I have a question concerning the Congressional Muslim Staffers Association, which operates under your office’s jurisdiction. For the last two years the CMSA has refused to disclose, or even comment on, the elections their charter demands they hold for the executive committee. No slate of candidates has ever been released nor a tally of votes received by each candidate; yet the board has not changed a single member since 2008. This has been documented in several posts / articles on the Heretics Crusade website (http://hereticscrusade.com/series/cmsa/) as well as others such as The Jawa Report and Jihad Watch.
My question is this: I would like to know if this is usual conduct for an association of Congressional employees; and if it is not, what will this office be doing to remedy the situation?
I realize that little is likely to result from this email; however I intend to send this post to several moderate and conservative blogs and writers; but, it only takes the right pebble to start an avalanche if a boulder or two gets nudged just right; I have been tossing pebbles for two years, I do not intend to stop now.
It seems that the MSM has finally caught up with the Congressional Muslim Staffers Association. I have been writing about them for a couple years now; their biggest problem seems to be with transparency… as in revealing who votes for what candidates and who got how many votes in the election for their executive board… whose members stay the same, year after year… maybe now I will get those 12 articles on the CMSA some coverage!
It seems the MSM has finally noticed that the CMSA associates with some… questionable… Imams and “moderate” Muslim leaders; folks like:
“Anwar al-Awlaki, the notorious Al Qaeda cleric believed to be hiding in Yemen and the lone American on the U.S. government’s capture or kill list, who conducted a prayer service on Capitol Hill shortly after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.
— Randall “Ismail” Royer, a former communications associate for the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), who confessed in 2004 to receiving jihadist training in Pakistan. He is serving a 20-year prison term.
— Anwar Hajjaj, former president of Taibah International Aid Association, which was designated a terrorist organization by the U.S. and U.N. in 2004.
— Esam Omeish, the former president of the Muslim American Society, who was forced to resign from the Virginia Commission on Immigration in 2007 after calling for “the jihad way,” among other remarks.
— Salam Al-Marayati, president of the Muslim Public Affairs Council, who was forced to step down from a national terrorism committee post in 1999 for pro-terrorist comments.
— Nihad Awad, CAIR executive director, who attended a Hamas meeting in Philadelphia in 1993 that was wiretapped by the FBI.
— Johari Abdul Malik, Dar al-Hijrah imam, who made statements in support of convicted and suspected terrorists who attended his mosque.
— Tariq Ramadan, a Muslim scholar banned from the U.S. for six years beginning in 2004 for his alleged ties and donations to terror groups. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton lifted Ramadan’s ban in January.
— Abdulaziz Othman Al-Twaijri, the head of a division of the Organization of the Islamic Conference, considered a foreign agent by the U.S.”
Oh and Hey, Assad (Akhter) Who ran in the board elections this year? How many voted and who got how many votes? Hmmmm?
The question and answer session at Assad Akhter’s CMSA panel on “discussing” the present situation for Muslim Americans as well as the “Park51 controversy” got off to a wonderful start with the moderator Suhail Khan lobbing a straw man gently underhand for Zogby to pretend to answer.
It seems Suhail can’t understand why, in the ten years since 9/11, the mood of the average American toward Islam and Muslims has changed; fear not Dr. Zogby has the answer:
“there is a general mood afoot in the country, it is part and parcel of the broader social, unraveling I think, that is taking place. umm, we had, we saw it begin last summer, um, I think some of it has to do with the fact that we have elected an African American president and some folks just can’t ingest it. There is No Question I think, that the economic distress, and the social dislocation that has occurred is part of it. Umm, and, I think at the same time that, that 8 or 9 years of, umm, disinformation has taken the toll. But if the social conditions weren’t there, if the unraveling weren’t there, I don’t think we’d see it. Uh, in exactly the same way. It is classic, uh, xenophobic nativism; we’ve seen it in our history before…”
The multiple attacks and attempted attacks in the US by America Muslims had nothing to do with it at all Zog-man? Okaaay, moving on, Salam puts in his two scheckles worth on the subject of why Americans are less trusting of Islam in 2010…
After a sycophantic salute to Dr. Zogby, Salam veers off the question to a specific and divisive attack…
“…think we are at a crossroads in our society, in terms of what, how we define America. Is America an exclusive club? Or are we going to live up to the stand, our values of pluralism. And when people start questioning the Christianity of our president, I think that is a form of religious nationalism. I think they’re using religion to say even religion now, in America, is part of an exclusive club.”
And here I thought that pretty much all religions except, Unitarianism, were in one way or another exclusive clubs! Or am I misunderstanding Salam; maybe I can declare myself Muslim without changing a single belief and he will say, “Welcome to Islam Brother”; but, somehow I doubt it.
“And so this exploitation of the truth that is used also for political purposes, since this is now an election year coming up to the November elections. And the fact is, Muslim Americas, they are an easy punching bag for this because we… “
I have to stop and tell you to hold on to your lunch, this is the baldest lie you have ever heard on The Hill…
“…don’t have the reach, we don’t have a lobby, we don’t have a PR infrastructure.”
Got that? Maj. Hasan went his merry Jihadist way in the Army because his colleagues were afraid to be labeled by the PC police as racists; but American Muslims have no reach.
The CMSA itself is openly a lobby; Then we have Salam’s own organization MPAC, and a couple dozen other active, influential lobby groups specifically for Muslim Americans, and Muslim Americans of various ethnic extractions and national origins; but American Muslims are a punching bag because they have no lobby!
And the last, biggest lie; American Muslims have no PR infrastructure; Check out Daniel Pipe’s web site for all the refutation of that Big Lie you could ever desire; but do not forget today’s Pravda: American Muslims have no PR Network.
Tell the Big Lie with a sincere look on your face, then repeat it as though it were gospel, over and over and over again until the sheep buy it; this seems to me to be the gospel according to Salam.
“and so, while we are responding to the, to everything, the other side obviously has the microphone. It’s really the other side of extremists.”
Wow, he actually mentioned Islamic extremists, obscurely and in passing but, he mentioned them! He must be an Islamophobe!
Other than Salam telling an obscure but rather bigoted anecdote this ended the “let us lob around a softball, while ignoring the woman, and pretend it is part of the and A” part of the program.
I will continue with the REAL Q and A, assuming they allow any real questions, in the next post.
Today Virginia I will be taking another look at the Congressional Muslim Staffers Association. This group came to my attention (see the first post in this series) when the director of CAIR dragged out their name while creating clouds of smoke to obscure his own group’s activities. I decided to take a closer look; what I found was not reassuring to say the least.
Despite an almost, kind of, sort of gesture at communication by one board member (subject to permission from un-named elder “leaders”, apparently never extended) this group has stonewalled all attempts to obtain information due the public.
To date they have had two elections of board members, but can’t seem to agree on when they hold their elections, nor will they reveal who stood for election to each post or who got how many votes! It should be noted however that the board was re-”elected” in toto last year; assuming the elections are yearly and not following the congressional cycle as I was told at one point. Either way a new election should be upcoming; hey Assad, can I see the ballot of candidates this time?
I have also looked at the sources, resources and speakers they promote; I found them to be fairly representative of the pseudo-moderate Jihad-Apologist class of Islamist rather than representative of what I call the Muslim-of-the-Real-World.
Then I saw the video of the CMSA get together called Image of Muslims in the U.S on C-Span; the conference was what you would expect, but Assad Akhter, the CMSA president, said some things that did not sound like the usual blanket victimology of the pretend moderates. Of course he parroted the usual lines about “near Ground Zero” and such, but he also admitted that while a majority of Americans did not want a Mosque at Park51, they did not mind a Mosque in their own neighborhoods; such an admission from a Muslim spokesman is unusual.
but is this proof of anything real? Let us continue to watch the show…
Next up was the selected moderator Suhail Kahn, the single Republican who allows the CMSA to exist as a “bi-partisan organization in Congress…
From the start Khan sets the definitions in his favor (which is why it is so vital for the opposition to seize back the terms) with “Park51 Community Center in Lower Manhattan” (like Pamela Geller on Hannity we must STOP and hammer the point, Park51 IS Ground Zero), “construction of a community center in Lower Manhattan.”
There was a moment of hope when he spoke of confronting things that had started to be talked about, Islam and women, Islam and terrorism and other things that had been out of his ken but no longer “on the fringe, maybe in chat rooms on the internet, [it] has surfaced and bubbled up to the mainstream conversation”!
But, he was speaking of confronting the Islamist’s favorite straw man, “Islamophobia”; and you thought he spoke of confronting the Islamist radicalism that bubbled up first? Silly Girl, Virginia, silly girl!
Because you see, in the world according to Khan the fringe of Islamophobes have so bubbled their way into the national perspective that “mainstream politicians are ACCUSING Muslims of SOMEHOW being a fifth column”; somehow, try CAIR, Muslim Brotherhood, Saudi Financed radicalist literature and triumphalist Mosques on the site of Islamist attacks?
In response Mr. Khan has assembled this panel to define truth as myth, patriot as pervert and to defend the stealth Jihad against all comers; And, We’re Off!
The first speaker is Salam al-Maryati, the president Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC); he is the general Muslims-America apologist.
He hits the right points of the Big Lie right off the bat; “Park51 controversy“, “not at ground zero“, “can’t even see it from there“; that last ignores the fact that the MOSQUE at the top floor of the proposed building WOULD have a wonderful overview of the official Ground Zero site!
Oh, and the project is “a community center that was intended to develop interfaith understanding”; I just realized that this is a totally true statement, the success of this project WOULD communicate to the Western world an understanding of what was expected of them by their ethical, spiritual and physical master, Islam.
After reiterating how the Ground Zero Mosque title was fabricated by un-named sinister forces Salam pulls back and adds another layer of lie to his cake of deceit; he declares the GZM controversy to be causing “protests against Mosques and Muslims around the Country” but also seems to declare these protests unrelated; of special interest to him is “burn the Koran day.”
His religious hypocrisy is now at full throttle, no ranting, sweating fundamentalist preacher on Jackson Square on New Orleans ever exceeded the double-faced, judgmental tribalistic stupidity of Salam’s next diatribe:
“.. a reverend, a religious Christian leader, who will sponsor “Burning the Koran Day”, this is obviously a major issue for us”
it is? we have flag burnings, effigy burnings and protests all the time, rude? yes. Crass? Yes. Obnoxious? Certainly. A Big Deal? Nope
al-Maryaki believes that only Christian ignorance of how the Quran talks about Abraham and Jesus and Moses and Mary makes people interested in burning Qurans as a political gesture; never mentioning of course that the Muslim view of Abraham and Moses is radically different from the Judeo-Christian mythology and their view of Jesus and Mary just as Heretical from virtually all Christian points of view; this is why Jews and Christians are not allowed to be open in their faith in Muslim lands, if they were TRUE Jews and Christians they would recognize that they were actually born Muslims!
al-Maryaki also believes that Americans have a responsibility to conduct their affairs so as to not produce any
“images” that might be used as “recruiting material” for al Qaeda et al! I have a question for the spineless (at least the American part of this Muslim-American) “citizen”; just what aspect, image or ideology of Western Civilization, and America in particular, could NOT be used as “recruiting material” by al-Qaeda?
At this point we should note that other than the mentioning of the name al-Qaeda there has been not one word about what Muslims themselves do, are, or believe; everything is about OUR misconceptions, accusations and Islamophobia.
The best, or most disgusting part, is when he declares that Anti-Muslim feelings in America are a mirror of Anti-American feelings in the Muslim world; sounds right doesn’t it Virginia? Did you spot the catch; America is the one in control, we initiate unfounded anti-Muslim tantrums, then the innocent Muslim world helplessly responds with childish, but understandable anti-American feelings. And not only that Virginia! Somehow this is more of an influence on global Muslimhood “undermining our efforts” than any Local-to-the-Muslim-world issues; yep, in Salam’s world Bangladeshi Buddhists are dying because a preacher in Fl wants to burn a Quran!
Money quote #1
“Islamophobia has to be viewed as an American Problem, not just a Muslim problem”
Umm, when did he admit it was in any way a Muslim problem?
He quotes a Pew study that says 70% of Americans either have no opinion on or an unfavorable view of Islam; according to Salam this is because the extremists can tell their “story” much better than the Muslim community can tell their “story”; this despite the faux-moderate Muslims having had almost exclusive control of the mainstream media for ten years; that must be some quality story-telling, why aren’t more Hollywood screenwriter’s Wahabi’s?
In trying to disassociate the Islamist leadership in America from the “radicals” abroad Salam accidently tells some truth:
“the story of the American Muslim has not yet been told”
In part because you, and others like you, will not allow them to stick their head up above the sea of brotherhood affiliated “moderates.
Next is Azizah al-Hibri, an expert on Shariah law and also an “advocate for Muslim Women.”
Azizah starts off talking about how she discovered the buried Islamophobia in American history after coming to America; she even mentions the…
“attempt at regime change in Tripoli”
A rather vague reference to America sending in the Marines to kick some butt when the U.S got tired of hearing them explain that it was their right as Muslims to take ships and ransack them and sell the passengers as slaves. But to Azizah this was a sign of a “misunderstanding” between the two worlds!
Summed up she managed to very charmingly say almost nothing of substance; isn’t that a job description now in DC?
Next up, the venerable apologist Zogby his own damn self!
Summed up: Snide, condescending and completely unwilling to address the actual issues; You have to love the money quote:
“whatever the outcome [of the Cordoba Project due to their ideology] if these guys [the anti-Ground Zero Mosque crowd across the board] win, America won’t be America anymore!”
Oh joy, now we get to see the question and Taqiyya session! Oh Assad, are you really down with all this victimology and disingenuousness?
The Q & A is another 45 minutes, I might get to analyzing it and I might not; go see for yourself and make up your own minds
The Congressional Muslim Staffers Association(CMSA) is holding the next in their moderate Muslim Taqiyya session at the Rayburn Building in DC; from their twitter account…
"Muslims in America: Myths and Realities A discussion on faith Tuesday, August 31 10:00 – 11:30 AM Rayburn House Building – Room…"
And there the tweet ends… is this a tactic to confuse and delay critics who might attend? Or just poor twittering?
I need to be twins, or maybe triplets; I can’t keep up with all the false faced "Moderate Muslims" drowning out the real reformers in their religion!
Here is the latest in the "Taqiyya blog" of one Dr. David Liepert a "prominent North American Muslim"; I got interested in his writings from an appallingly weasel worded article on Huffington Post.
Monday, August 16, 2010 at 04:30PM
Taqiyya, and the way it’s abused is an excellent example of the unholy (although it’s likely unintended) alliance between al Qaeda and radical Islamophobes."
Notice how a false black and white distinction is made here that isolates the supposed negative influence of Islam to less than one percent of Muslims and all non-Muslims who are critical of the ACTIONS of Muslims.
"Taqiyya is the Arabic word that denotes God’s promise that a Muslim won’t be judged a sinner if forced to renounce Islam under duress or torture, and makes explicit a wonderful promise: that God judges humankind lovingly and justly by our intent in the context of our capabilities."
Ah, but capabilities to to just what? To whom? Why? Those are questions that threaten the good Dr. as a Muslim and so will fall under the aegis of Taqiyya and never be answered honestly… by Western standards.
"Taqiyya to al Qaeda and the less than 0.1% of Muslims who follow their debased ideology is permission to lie."
No, it is not the straw man you have propped up in order to set a match to; it is permission to lie to "protect" or advance Islam, nothing more or less.
"Taqiyya to Islamophobes has become permission to call “liar” any Muslim who doesn’t support their hate filled agenda, and that’s the problem: because that means an Islamophobe can always throw out anything a Muslim says that they don’t agree with, or that they don’t want to hear."
Here again we see not only the stark My Way or the Hell Way attitude toward "thought crime" but also a continuation of the name calling, and propagandistic labeling. This is written from a RELIGIOUS PERSPECTIVE? I don’t think so, it reads more like political hot air that smells of masculine bovine digestive processes! To be stark myself it reads to me a lot like the German propaganda in the 30′s and Soviet propaganda in the 20′s, 30′s, 40′s,50′s, 60′s, oh why go on; Putin is still doing it!
"But does Taqiyya actually give Muslims the rights al Qaeda and Islamophobes claim?"
Regardless of actual lineage we can see that the good Dr. understand you must hammer away at the "big Lies" until they take hold; then keep hammering them until they acquire quasi-mystical acceptance among "right thinking" people. Pardon me Virginia while go take an ant-acid; my stomach is a bit nauseated.
"Many Sunni Muslims claim that it is solely a Shiite practice, and consider the question answered. However, that response is to some extent dishonest because the practice is rooted in the Quran, which is shared by both. Based on 16:106, it is obviously a promise that AlLah makes to all Muslims that He will be merciful.
However, 3:28 tells Muslims not to take those outside our faith as “protecting friends”, unless the action itself protects Muslims, and 40:28 introduces a believer who must “hide his faith” among non-believers.
There are also Hadithi which pertain: including one in which Muhammad (peace be upon him) declared, “War is Deceit” and another recounting the assassination of Ka’b bin al-Sharif in which Muhammad (pbuh) gave the assassin permission to use a ruse.
But when you actually examine the evidence, it becomes clear that there is no permission to lie given to Muslims, and that al Qaeda and Islamophobes who say otherwise are lying themselves."
Well, no; if you look at all the most "reliable" translations you find evidence that goes BOTH ways. Either interpretation seems to be valid from the extant texts used by Muslims.
"The Ayah that pertain to Taqiyya are profoundly restrictive regarding exactly where the deception lies, who is being deceived and why. In each case, it is only one’s Muslim faith that is hidden, and it is only hidden from those who would do a Muslim harm because of it in order to prevent it. It is never used to give a Muslim an unfair advantage in anything."
No, it isn’t. judge them by their fruits!
"An Islamophobic [Guy DeW: more insulting, black and white labeling piled on, don't we call that chauvinism if a Jew or Christian does it?] website shows just how dishonest the author is willing to be. They translate 3:54 as saying, "And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers." and claim “The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means deceit. If Allah is deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same.”
Sorry Dr. (of what by the way?), that is not the case; translations by Muslims and non-Muslims are divided.
"However, Makara doesn’t mean deceit, it means “plot” or “scheme” in the context of a superior plan or undertaking, which only proves you can’t take the word of someone who dislikes Islam about Islam: which shouldn’t surprise anyone."
Now that you have seen that the Dr. is distorting the facts should it surprise you that he wants you to blindly take HIS word?
"Likewise, al Qaeda and radical Islamophobes both claim the Hadithi in question give blanket permission to Muslims to lie, but actually reading them does the opposite.
“War is deceit” is said to have been declaimed in the context of the assassination of Usayr ibn Zarim and his 30 men after they were given safe passage. But when one reads the story it becomes clear that Usayr and his men were the first to offend, and clear that the transmitter went to pains to make that clear."
In other words it is cool to cheat a cheater, and rob a robber, and murder a murderer? That is a small step to cheating someone you think has cheated you etc… and one more tiny step to cheating anyone who is not "on your side", sorry Doc, I can’t buy it!
"Likewise, after getting permission to use a ruse, the transmitter actually went to great pains to show that Muhammad bin Maslama went to great lengths to avoid actually saying anything false: his words are recorded exactly."
Tape or digital recording? You do know that any digital recording can be tampered with.. what did you say Virginia? The good Dottore did not mean that, he meant that HIS scripture is pure and accurate and untainted despite hundreds of years before their being written down and the many different versions that have existed? Ok, I guess I should not be surprised. Oh, and it is all false anyway… go to the horses mouth!
"And Ka’b’s final words to his own wife indicate that he might even have had an inkling what was going on, but had been overcome by his own greed."
And of course THAT makes it all ok? Sorry again, no sale here, try further East.
"The bottom line? Muslims don’t have permission to lie, and anyone who says otherwise are bearing false witness and spreading lies about Islam. And that’s against the rules of every religion, no matter which book you follow."
And so says someone who has absolutely NO ulterior motive for you to believe him… And I have some wonderful land in Florida to sell you…
Today on Hussam Ayloush‘s personal website (Hussam is the executive director of the los Angeles CAIR affiliate) I found this post from a piece on the Huffington Post … Oh my Virginia, what is the world of “Holy Men” coming to?
There is a quote whose source I have not been able to track down that goes something like this:
“A true Holy Man[or woman] is known in spite of their religion, not because of it.”
This means Virginia, that the thoughts, and feelings, and actions of the truly holy can be recognized across the lines of dogma and doctrine and other man-made fantasies meant to bolster ego more than help people to grow closer to God. In this day and age no where is this more evident than in the realms of Televangelism, Creationism, radically militant Hassidic Jews and mainstream Islam.
Articles exposing the philosophies and excesses of the first three abound across the media from the Leftist to the moderate to the almost conservative; this piece is about a new wave of holy disingenuousness rising across the Western and Eastern worlds.
Let us introduce Kamran Pasha and his piece from Huffington Post as echoed by our good friend Hussam and my response:
You are very imaginative Sir; have you ever considered a career writing fantasy? Or maybe creating advertising copy for cigarette companies would be more to your taste?
“The ADL, which was founded in 1913 as a powerful voice against religious discrimination in America, has over the past decade become increasingly xenophobic toward the Muslim community, which its leaders seem to view as a threat to Jews due to its lack of support for Israel.”
That is very interesting. I would imagine though that their attitude comes more from the steady rise in anti-Semitism worldwide, especially in Israel, in those same ten years.
“Lack of support”? Is that what you call Muslim leaders, spiritual and political, spouting genocidal rhetoric and fake history as they train their children to be robotic martyrs to the cause of eliminating Israel? Are you under the impression, Sir that no one can read Muslim news sources, or listen to Muslim leaders speak; or see records of Friday sermons declaring Israelis inhuman and all the hateful rhetoric of a nascent fascism?
“As a Christian friend who works in the Obama Administration lamented to me recently, the ADL has in essence become the “Pro-Defamation League” when it comes to Islam and Muslims.”
Does the same obviously bigoted friend of yours walk up to his Jewish friends, and tell them that CAIR is unfortunately almost exclusively anti-Semitic in its slant on everything? No? Why ever not Sir?
Here is where it really starts to get good!
The recent comments by Abraham Foxman, National Director of the ADL, against the proposed Muslim community center in New York are the latest in a long line of incidents where members of the ADL have promoted bigotry and discrimination against Arabs and Muslims.”
This is the iron skillet calling the almost new aluminum pan black! Let us look at some actual data, instead of opinion shall we Virginia?
6,489,000 Jews in US more or less; 2.2% of the population – CAIR claims that there are 7 million Muslims in the US for, about 2.2 % (is that why the CAIR number is much higher than all other estimate, to equal the Jewish presence? Just a thought.)
So then, Virginia, all we need to do is compare the anti-Islamic crime with the anti-Jewish crime 1 to 1 for us to see who is getting the short end of religious bigotry:
(Addition 8/11; Please take note Virginia that the anti-Islamic crimes were comitted on average by only 1.2 persons per crime while the anti-Jewish crimes were more often group efforts with an average of 2.9 offenders per incident!)
Even if we use the figure for Muslims in the US given by the American Religious Identification Survey of 1.3 million (about a fifth of the CAIR number) gives a weighted comparison of anti-Jewish = 66% and anti-Islamic = 105 incidents times 5 for weighting = 525 out of 1,519 incidents equaling 35%, barely half of the anti-Semitic rate! Q.E.D.
“In 1993, the ADL illegally spied on American citizens who had spoken out in sympathy with Palestinians, generating a watch list of 10,000 names of private citizens and over 600 groups, and then selling the list to South African intelligence agents…
“Do not do unto others what you would not have others do unto you.”
“To Mr. Foxman and the rest of the ADL leadership, I ask if in your hearts you would want people to accuse innocent Jews of being enemies of the state?
Would you want Jews to accept vilification of their entire religion if a handful of Jews ever did something wrong? Would you want Jews to tacitly accept the lies that bigots had projected on to them? And finally, would you want Jews to be forced to shut down their synagogues because of the misguided passions of a mob?
Would you want this done to Jews?
If the answer is no, then I ask as your Muslim brother that you follow the wisdom of Rabbi Hillel and the sages of Judaism.
Do not do the same hateful thing to my people.”
Pretty words Sir, but… By their fruits shall ye know them…
Sincerity, what is it and how do we identify it from bald-faced lies and zealous ignorance? In two ways Virginia, in two ways; analyze what they say and compare it to all available facts; and judge them by their fruits, one of the most useful concepts to come out of Judeo/Christianity.
It is never more important to identify real sincerity than when the speaker claims a religious moral high-ground. Most religious traditions cherish a core principal of truth and honesty; a self-serving lie perverts the most noble cause at its very core – *Living* this belief distinguishes the true clergy of God, no matter their faith.
Unfortunately the extremes of the religious/partisan/tribal spectrum believe the opposite; so sure are they of the holiness of their cause that eventually any lie will come to be seen as sanctifying, instead of perverting, when applied in any fashion that can be rationalized as in service to “The Cause.”
To be sure, this trait is not confined to religious bigots, there are political movements on the Left, and Right, who share this same “holy” zeal for their vision of “how things must be.”
Here is a piece from the Great Falls Tribune in Montana that straddles both the religious and the political art of faking complete sincerity.
Part of Islamic teachings is mutual respect and acceptance, according to Hussam Ayloush, a speaker at the Islam in America symposium in Bozeman in February and a Muslim-American from Anaheim, Calif.
Why would anyone hold a symposium on Islam in America in Bozeman, Montana (pop < 30,000)? Maybe so no-one undesired is likely to show up and attend to what is actually said?
With that said, “part of Islamic teachings is…”? That is about as vague as you can get. A part? A large part? A powerful part? How about a dominant part? We will let that one go for now…
“Some Muslims disagree with American policies, Ayloush said, but that doesn’t mean they hate Americans.”
Disingenuous, thy name is partisan! “Some” can be read as most according to virtually all polls I have seen, whether by US-based, Judeo/Christian religious, or Muslim news agencies!
As to the “hate American policies[sins]” bit, sorry, the Christians use that one too; what they hate is America’s Un-Muslimness, and that means hating non-Muslim Americans; just as a radical Christian who hates homosexuality hates the gays, not just “their sin.”
“There are lines by the thousands in Muslim countries for visas to come to America,” he said. “People are proud to visit here. There’s no shame — it’s the opposite.”
MSU Adjunct Professor Thomas Goltz has spent years traveling in Muslim countries. “I have never, not once, felt uncomfortable going around the Muslim world because they were Muslim,” he said.
This is probably because Goltz is known for uncritically pro-Muslim, and anti non-Muslim, statements and articles:
Goltz’ remarks were in response a question from the audience on how to convince Armenians of Nagorno-Karabagh to stay within the “current boundaries of Azerbaijan.” Goltz, who teaches at the Montana State University, replied: “By building a forward-looking democracy you will be able to let the garlic-growing Armenians beg to join you (Azerbaijan).”
… Goltz accused Armenians of perpetrating “ethnic cleansing” in Khojaly and said the Armenia argument that the Khojaly operation was a necessary pre-emptive and defensive measure to relieve Nagorno-Karabagh’s capital Stepanakerd from relentless shelling from Khojaly was “nonsense”.
The most dramatic moment of the lectures occurred when Aris Babikian from the Armenian National Committee of Canada (ANCC) successfully refuted two controversial statements by Goltz.
At the Newsmaker Breakfast lecture, Aris Babikian, executive director of the ANCC, confronted Goltz and mocked him for his “command performance of misrepresentation and revisionism.” Babikian exposed Goltz’ hypocrisy by pointing out that the American journalist had “conveniently forgotten to mention the Sumgait, Baku and Maragh massacres of Armenians by Azeris… and that had it not been for the Russian Navy 230,000 Armenian inhabitants of Baku would have not survived.”
Ayloush explained that al-Qaida is so unwanted in Muslim countries the terrorist organization must hide. “Eight out of 10 victims (of al-Qaida) are Muslim,” he said. “Every political leader has spoken out against (them).”
Of course, to be fair he would have mentioned that BEFORE most of their victims were Muslims support for al-Qaida in the Muslim world was much, much higher… but that has nothing to do with anything, right?
This next bit is so outrageous that I am going to take it piece by piece:
“Jihad” is a term used to describe “inner struggle” and striving for the sake of God, according to Ayloush. It is “not holy war,” Ayloush stresses.
The inner struggle means controlling one’s passions and avoiding vices.
Here Ayloush is being at best sloppy and rash, and at worst a completely disingenuous dispenser of bovine produced fertilizer. Doesn’t he understand that to tell such easily refutable lies helps his cause in the uncommitted hearts NOT ONE BIT? Here is a piece that brings together some interesting quotes from the Quran:
“Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them):
thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom. (47:4)This one states the goal of the fighting in terms that also make clear that the war is religious:And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah. (8:39)And this one establishes that he warfare is against the People of the Book, that is, Jews and Christians:
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. (9:29)”
Back to the article…
Arabic has no word for “holy war,” and the phrase was developed as a way to translate the word “crusade,” a Latin word and Christian idea.
Stunningly untrue: the Crusades began only after 300 years of ISLAMIC military aggression against Byzantium and the Holy Land (mostly Christian at the time), including the attacking and enslaving of pilgrims as a “religious right and duty.” Only a mind that thinks that when Muslims murder it is sanctified by God can think that the Crusades taught MUSLIMS how to fight a holy war!
The Quran surfaced about 1,400 years ago, Kia said, and there are no verses about the United States because the country did not yet exist.
The United States has gone to war in Afghanistan and Iraq because of those countries’ policies, not religion. They just happen to have a majority Muslim population, according to Kia.
And? So? What does that have to do with anything? The Koran, Hadith, and especially the Sharia’a, clearly deny the right of humans to create their own laws and institutions; this puts traditional Islam squarely AGAINST everything that Western societies, including America, are based on.
The Sept. 11 attacks were committed by a minority group of extremist Muslims affiliated with the terrorist organization al-Qaida, which has small networks all over the world.
And Muslims danced the world over, wherever they were more than a tiny percentage of the population! Can anyone tell me of any event involving the murder of over three thousand people that would bring out huge numbers of Christians, Jews, Hindus, Shinto, Buddhists or Neo-Pagans out to dance in joy? Such compassion! Such a peaceful outpouring of warmth and sympathy!
Christians have committed acts of terror both present-day and throughout history.
That is nice Professor, but we live NOW; tell us about the thousands murdered every day by Christians – shows us the yearly toll of thousands of Fellow Christians (but not Christian enough), and non-Christians who offend by merely BEING non-Christian. Show us where they live closer than your great-great-great-grand mother’s lifetime! You remind me of a Mafia Don excusing 30 murders committed in a year to consolidate his power because thuggish cops killed two people randomly over ten years.
In defense of a political movement that attitude is sad; in defense of a religion is it disgusting.
“The irony is that Christianity fought its holy war against Islam in the middle ages,” Kia said. “There was a Christian ‘holy war,’ there was a Christian ‘jihad.’”
You keep beating that horse, but it will never get up and run… how is it ironic that only after 300 years of murder, raid and military assault culminating in closure of access (at peril of life and freedom) to pilgrims the Christians FINALLY took up arms, and came and kicked some butt to take that formerly CHRISTIAN land back? Jihad is only bad if it is Christians? (note that I have not addressed, and certainly not defended, any excesses of the Christians involved; we are just addressing motives for now)
I am not going to spend a huge amount of time breaking down the numbers of dead by the religion of the murderers; go here and look for yourself at how utterly stupid this argument is:
The country with the largest Muslim population is Indonesia.
And also the country with one of the fastest growing Islamist problems!!!
And that concludes our lesson in how to be truly sincere at *appearing* to be Morally Superior to your opponent.
Less than 20 percent of the 1.6 billion Muslims (according to a Pew study in 2009) in the world are Arab, Ayloush said. “It’s a religion,” he said. “Not an ethnicity.”
And let us not forget it; I don’t expect to hear Ayloush calling anti-Islamist groups racists!