CMSA – Images of Muslims in America Q and A Analysis

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The question and answer session at Assad Akhter’s CMSA panel on “discussing” the present situation for Muslim Americans as well as the “Park51 controversy” got off to a wonderful start with the moderator Suhail Khan lobbing a straw man gently underhand for Zogby to pretend to answer. 

It seems Suhail can’t understand why, in the ten years since 9/11, the mood of the average American toward Islam and Muslims has changed; fear not Dr. Zogby has the answer:

“there is a general mood afoot in the country, it is part and parcel of the broader social, unraveling I think, that is taking place. umm, we had, we saw it begin last summer, um, I think some of it has to do with the fact that we have elected an African American president and some folks just can’t ingest it. There is No Question I think, that the economic distress, and the social dislocation that has occurred is part of it. Umm, and, I think at the same time that, that 8 or 9 years of, umm, disinformation has taken the toll. But if the social conditions weren’t there, if the unraveling weren’t there, I don’t think we’d see it. Uh, in exactly the same way. It is classic, uh, xenophobic nativism; we’ve seen it in our history before…”

The multiple attacks and attempted attacks in the US by America Muslims had nothing to do with it at all Zog-man? Okaaay, moving on, Salam puts in his two scheckles worth on the subject of why Americans are less trusting of Islam in 2010…

After a sycophantic salute to Dr. Zogby, Salam veers off the question to a specific and divisive attack…

“…think we are at a crossroads in our society, in terms of what, how we define America. Is America an exclusive club? Or are we going to live up to the stand, our values of pluralism.  And when people start questioning the Christianity of our president, I think that is a form of religious nationalism. I think they’re using religion to say even religion now, in America, is part of an exclusive club.”

And here I thought that pretty much all religions except, Unitarianism, were in one way or another exclusive clubs! Or am I misunderstanding Salam; maybe I can declare myself Muslim without changing a single belief and he will say, “Welcome to Islam Brother”; but, somehow I doubt it.

“And so this exploitation of the truth that is used also for political purposes, since this is now an election year coming up to the November elections. And the fact is, Muslim Americas, they are an easy punching bag for this because we… “

I have to stop and tell you to hold on to your lunch, this is the baldest lie you have ever heard on The Hill…

“…don’t have the reach, we don’t have a lobby, we don’t have a PR infrastructure.”

Got that? Maj. Hasan went his merry Jihadist way in the Army because his colleagues were afraid to be labeled by the PC police as racists; but American Muslims have no reach.

The CMSA itself is openly a lobby; Then we have Salam’s own organization MPAC, and a couple dozen other active, influential lobby groups specifically for Muslim Americans, and Muslim Americans of various ethnic extractions and national origins; but American Muslims are a punching bag because they have no lobby!

And the last, biggest lie; American Muslims have no PR infrastructure; Check out Daniel Pipe’s web site for all the refutation of that Big Lie you could ever desire; but do not forget today’s Pravda: American Muslims have no PR Network.

Tell the Big Lie with a sincere look on your face, then repeat it as though it were gospel, over and over and over again until the sheep buy it; this seems to me to be the gospel according to Salam.

“and so, while we are responding to the, to everything, the other side obviously has the microphone. It’s really the other side of extremists.”

Wow, he actually mentioned Islamic extremists, obscurely and in passing but, he mentioned them! He must be an Islamophobe!

Other than Salam telling an obscure but rather bigoted anecdote this ended the “let us lob around a softball, while ignoring the woman, and pretend it is part of the  and A” part of the program.

I will continue with the REAL Q and A, assuming they allow any real questions, in the next post.

These “moderates” are popping up like flies!

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I need to be twins, or maybe triplets; I can’t keep up with all the false faced "Moderate Muslims" drowning out the real reformers in their religion!

Here is the latest in the "Taqiyya blog" of one Dr. David Liepert a "prominent North American Muslim"; I got interested in his writings from an appallingly weasel worded article on Huffington Post.

"Taqiyya, al Qaeda and  Islamophobia

DateMonday, August 16, 2010 at 04:30PM

Taqiyya, and the way it’s abused is an excellent example of the unholy (although it’s likely unintended) alliance between al Qaeda and radical Islamophobes."

Notice how a false black and white distinction is made here that isolates the supposed negative influence of Islam to less than one percent of Muslims and all non-Muslims who are critical of the ACTIONS of Muslims.

"Taqiyya is the Arabic word that denotes God’s promise that a Muslim won’t be judged a sinner if forced to renounce Islam under duress or torture, and makes explicit a wonderful promise: that God judges humankind lovingly and justly by our intent in the context of our capabilities."

Ah, but capabilities to to just what? To whom? Why? Those are questions that threaten the good Dr. as a Muslim and so will fall under the aegis of Taqiyya and never be answered honestly… by Western standards.

"Taqiyya to al Qaeda and the less than 0.1% of Muslims who follow their debased ideology is permission to lie."

No, it is not the straw man you have propped up in order to set a match to; it is permission to lie to "protect" or advance Islam, nothing more or less.

"Taqiyya to Islamophobes has become permission to call “liar” any Muslim who doesn’t support their hate filled agenda, and that’s the problem: because that means an Islamophobe can always throw out anything a Muslim says that they don’t agree with, or that they don’t want to hear."

Here again we see not only the stark My Way or the Hell Way attitude toward "thought crime" but also a continuation of the name calling, and propagandistic labeling. This is written from a RELIGIOUS PERSPECTIVE? I don’t think so, it reads more like political hot air that smells of masculine bovine digestive processes! To be stark myself it reads to me a lot like the German propaganda in the 30’s and Soviet propaganda in the 20’s, 30’s, 40’s,50’s, 60’s, oh why go on; Putin is still doing it!

"But does Taqiyya actually give Muslims the rights al Qaeda and Islamophobes claim?"

Regardless of actual lineage we can see that the good Dr. understand you must hammer away at the "big Lies" until they take hold; then keep hammering them until they acquire quasi-mystical acceptance among "right thinking" people. Pardon me Virginia while go take an ant-acid; my stomach is a bit nauseated.

"Many Sunni Muslims claim that it is solely a Shiite practice, and consider the question answered. However, that response is to some extent dishonest because the practice is rooted in the Quran, which is shared by both. Based on 16:106, it is obviously a promise that AlLah makes to all Muslims that He will be merciful.

However, 3:28 tells Muslims not to take those outside our faith as “protecting friends”, unless the action itself protects Muslims, and 40:28 introduces a believer who must “hide his faith” among non-believers.

There are also Hadithi which pertain: including one in which Muhammad (peace be upon him) declared, “War is Deceit” and another recounting the assassination of Ka’b bin al-Sharif in which Muhammad (pbuh) gave the assassin permission to use a ruse.

But when you actually examine the evidence, it becomes clear that there is no permission to lie given to Muslims, and that al Qaeda and Islamophobes who say otherwise are lying themselves."

Well, no; if you look at all the most "reliable" translations you find evidence that goes BOTH ways. Either interpretation seems to be valid from the extant texts used by Muslims.

"The Ayah that pertain to Taqiyya are profoundly restrictive regarding exactly where the deception lies, who is being deceived and why. In each case, it is only one’s Muslim faith that is hidden, and it is only hidden from those who would do a Muslim harm because of it in order to prevent it. It is never used to give a Muslim an unfair advantage in anything."

No, it isn’t. judge them by their fruits!

"An Islamophobic [Guy DeW: more insulting, black and white labeling piled on, don’t we call that chauvinism if a Jew or Christian does it?] website shows just how dishonest the author is willing to be. They translate 3:54 as saying, "And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers." and claim “The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means deceit.  If Allah is deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same.”

Sorry Dr. (of what by the way?), that is not the case; translations by Muslims and non-Muslims are divided.

"However, Makara doesn’t mean deceit, it means “plot” or “scheme” in the context of a superior plan or undertaking, which only proves you can’t take the word of someone who dislikes Islam about Islam: which shouldn’t surprise anyone."

Now that you have seen that the Dr. is distorting the facts should it surprise you that he wants you to blindly take HIS word?

"Likewise, al Qaeda and radical Islamophobes both claim the Hadithi in question give blanket permission to Muslims to lie, but actually reading them does the opposite.

“War is deceit” is said to have been declaimed in the context of the assassination of Usayr ibn Zarim and his 30 men after they were given safe passage. But when one reads the story it becomes clear that Usayr and his men were the first to offend, and clear that the transmitter went to pains to make that clear."

In other words it is cool to cheat a cheater, and rob a robber, and murder a murderer? That is a small step to cheating someone you think has cheated you etc… and one more tiny step to cheating anyone who is not "on your side", sorry Doc, I can’t buy it!

"Likewise, after getting permission to use a ruse, the transmitter actually went to great pains to show that Muhammad bin Maslama went to great lengths to avoid actually saying anything false: his words are recorded exactly."

Tape or digital recording? You do know that any digital recording can be tampered with.. what did you say Virginia? The good Dottore did not mean that, he meant that HIS scripture is pure and accurate and untainted despite hundreds of years before their being written down and the many different versions that have existed? Ok, I guess I should not be surprised.  Oh, and it is all false anyway… go to the horses mouth!

"And Ka’b’s final words to his own wife indicate that he might even have had an inkling what was going on, but had been overcome by his own greed."

And of course THAT makes it all ok? Sorry again, no sale here, try further East.

"The bottom line? Muslims don’t have permission to lie, and anyone who says otherwise are bearing false witness and spreading lies about Islam.  And that’s against the rules of every religion, no matter which book you follow."

And so says someone who has absolutely NO ulterior motive for you to believe him… And I have some wonderful land in Florida to sell you…